The Unseen Hand

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Chapter 1 God or Government?

Opens about the rights of Man and who grants them and can limit them. Talks about Hitler's misuse of government and usurping the ability for government to decide who lives or dies. Communism is bad (to be discussed later).

In all, I take no exception with Epperson's writings in this chapter but I can already see where the tea is going.
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Chapter 2: Freedom

This chapter is focused on property rights and starts down the rabbit hole of government's right to tax. Taxes seem to be regarded as theft. As I stated in an earlier post, the last paragraph in this chapter quotes Andrew Jackson:

"There are no necessary evils in government. Its evils exist only in its abuses. If it would confine itself to equal protection, and, as Heaven does its rains, shower its favors alike on the high and the low, the rich and the poor, it would be an unqualified blessing."

The fact that the author thought a quote about equal protection from the architect of the "Trail of Tears" and an avowed slaver provide early questions from me about this author's grasp, understanding and viewpoint of history.
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Chapter 2: Freedom

This chapter is focused on property rights and starts down the rabbit hole of government's right to tax. Taxes seem to be regarded as theft. As I stated in an earlier post, the last paragraph in this chapter quotes Andrew Jackson:

"There are no necessary evils in government. Its evils exist only in its abuses. If it would confine itself to equal protection, and, as Heaven does its rains, shower its favors alike on the high and the low, the rich and the poor, it would be an unqualified blessing."

The fact that the author thought a quote about equal protection from the architect of the "Trail of Tears" and an avowed slaver provide early questions from me about this author's grasp, understanding and viewpoint of history.


Gregg, News Flash !!! You keep referencing our founding fathers as though somehow they had the benefit of context and hindsight of the 21st century American statesman. It was a completely different world back then. The entire history of the world involved slavery. Are you aware of that fact? Pick a date in history and slavery existed. As far as blacks are concerned, America did ultimately give blacks their freedom and tens of thousands of white Americans died to do so.
Just read the book and dispense with the obvious. It's a book of information. It's either true or its not. What you would like history to be is not necessarily how it was. Just because you don't like it doesn't change it. I don't like slavery any more than you do. However, I'm smart enough to understand that it was a different time. The gears of the world worked differently. It is what it is. You have to view history in context.
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For someone who throws the ignorant word around alot you sure do have poor understanding.

1 - I would hardly consider Andy Jackson a Founding Father.

2 - My point was directed at the author who certainly has the benefit of context and hindsight. The author chose to use a quote from Jackson on equality and you would call me out for pointing out that irony? KICK ROCKS!!

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For someone who throws the ignorant word around alot you sure do have poor understanding.

1 - I would hardly consider Andy Jackson a Founding Father.

2 - My point was directed at the author who certainly has the benefit of context and hindsight. The author chose to use a quote from Jackson on equality and you would call me out for pointing out that irony? KICK ROCKS!!



No doubt a mistake on my part. I have occasionally gotten Thomas Jefferson, Jefferson Davis and Andrew Jackson's names mixed up. My Bad ! Nevertheless, my point is exactly the same. It was a different era and a different time when Andrew Jackson lived. I'm not saying it was right. I'm saying it is what it is. He was one of many Democrats who owned slaves. When the Civil War began not a single Republican in congress owned a slave. Were you aware of that fact? It is true !
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So, when are you admitting that you're about to vote for Trump?
This is good stuff; right?

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You are tone deaf. This is insulting, cynical and pathetic. Trump knows that some blacks are stupid enough to fall for this and he only needs a marginal shift to counteract the record black turnout that is arraying to vote him out. He rolls out his agenda for black america after he has denigrated and disrespected our heroes, communities and cultures for 3.5 years; For as stupid as the man is, he's not dumb.

My vote against and opposition to Trump has always been and continues to be his lies, vile and repugnant nature.

His supporters tout his handling of the economy but it is has been pretty consistent with the previous eight years (best case slightly better) at a cost of decreased regulations making our food, water, environment less safe and $3 trillion dollars in tax cuts that grossly benefitted top earners.
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You are tone deaf. This is insulting, cynical and pathetic. Trump knows that some blacks are stupid enough to fall for this and he only needs a marginal shift to counteract the record black turnout that is arraying to vote him out. He rolls out his agenda for black america after he has denigrated and disrespected our heroes, communities and cultures for 3.5 years; For as stupid as the man is, he's not dumb.

My vote against and opposition to Trump has always been and continues to be his lies, vile and repugnant nature.

His supporters tout his handling of the economy but it is has been pretty consistent with the previous eight years (best case slightly better) at a cost of decreased regulations making our food, water, environment less safe and $3 trillion dollars in tax cuts that grossly benefitted top earners.



Ha Ha !
I hope you didn't think I really thought you would vote for Trump. You're delusional !!!
However, the man does something for the black community and it's not good enough.
I noticed long ago in our discussions that you conveniently have selective criticism of Trump but give Biden a pass as though he hasn't lied and changed his story so many times you can't count them.
Where I find huge flaws in your take regarding Trump is that even though I've requested it several times you fail to show what the Democrats have done to improve the black community in the last 60+ years. You don't respond to the question because you can't show anything that has improved the black condition.
In fact, I think you're a hypocrite.

You're so tied to the Democrats you can't see straight. Instead of seeking the truth you blindly accept everything the Democrats want you to believe. You'll be a slave to the Democrat party until you see enough black people with the courage to leave the Democrat party for the Republican party and then you will switch too. It's happening ! It's just a matter of time. The more black people become educated about history the more of them begin to question "why". What's sad is that you know the history and you're still a sucker.
Again:
1) name what Democrats have done to improve the black cause in the last 60+ years that is better today than it was then?

2) how have the Democrats improved the black condition in the largest Democrat run cities in America; like Detroit, Baltimore, NYC, LA, San Fran etc etc etc. ?
These are ALL DEMOCRAT run cities. Isn't this the model of what a Democrat society looks like?
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I have visited every city you named and gave had a wonderful time in each of them. So I am unsure why you singled them out. Many American cities suffer due to those living in the suburbs, but making significant living in the city being allowed to avoid contributing to the city's tax base. Some city's like NYC has successfully implemented tax programs that remedy this but others have run into problems where rural community representatives refuse to allow them to get this done...Democrats have been the authors of or signers of nearly every major piece of legislation that benefitted common people. I do not look at politics through the lens of "for blacks." Why are you so invested in this line of thought?
Cause whatever or however bad Dems are for blacks (according to you), Republicans are worse because instead of work to get the black vote they attempt to marginalize (super majority gerrymandering), suppress it (erroneous and unnecessary voting requirements, inadequate or malfunctioning equipment, and polling places) or patronizingly inquire about what the Dems are doing. This was all included in a case study commissioned and shelved by the RNC before you accuse me of making it up.

Hell I admitted I was a Republican only to have you "inform me" that I never was nor were the Republicans I supported. So why would I entertain the thought of aligning myself where my viewpoints are ignored or belittled. There used to be actual libs and moderates in your party and you have purged them all, thus, morphing into the homogenous group who deny science, history or any ither topic that they find inconvenient. Extremely intellectually dishonest.

I got my popcorn ready!!! Enjoy the game.
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I have visited every city you named and gave had a wonderful time in each of them. So I am unsure why you singled them out. Many American cities suffer due to those living in the suburbs, but making significant living in the city being allowed to avoid contributing to the city's tax base. Some city's like NYC has successfully implemented tax programs that remedy this but others have run into problems where rural community representatives refuse to allow them to get this done...Democrats have been the authors of or signers of nearly every major piece of legislation that benefitted common people. I do not look at politics through the lens of "for blacks." Why are you so invested in this line of thought?
Cause whatever or however bad Dems are for blacks (according to you), Republicans are worse because instead of work to get the black vote they attempt to marginalize (super majority gerrymandering), suppress it (erroneous and unnecessary voting requirements, inadequate or malfunctioning equipment, and polling places) or patronizingly inquire about what the Dems are doing. This was all included in a case study commissioned and shelved by the RNC before you accuse me of making it up.

Hell I admitted I was a Republican only to have you "inform me" that I never was nor were the Republicans I supported. So why would I entertain the thought of aligning myself where my viewpoints are ignored or belittled. There used to be actual libs and moderates in your party and you have purged them all, thus, morphing into the homogenous group who deny science, history or any ither topic that they find inconvenient. Extremely intellectually dishonest.

I got my popcorn ready!!! Enjoy the game.
Really, you have to ask what makes the large Democrat run cities I've mentioned among the very worst cities to live in; unless you do very well and make a very nice living. Still, the wealthy are bailing out of these cities in droves. Among the many reasons these cities are having massive issues

High total taxes (state and local)
Wealthy citizens leaving because of high taxation and crime.
Massive "unfunded liability" due to the many unfunded pension plans
Highest cost of living and housing costs in America.
High crime rate
High homeless rate allowed to live in highly populated areas and business districts, humans shiiting in the streets, needles etc. resulting in large drops in tourism.
Historically among the highest unemployment rate
Historically among the worst performing schools in America.

You say that Democrats have been the authors of "nearly every piece of legislation that has benefitted common people. How very convenient you throw out a broad statement like that without stating what legislation you're talking about; specifically. Why am I not surprised? Fact is, Democrats have created "Government Dependance" that in many cases does nothing to help people in need to get out of the hole they are in.

You use the topic of "gerrymandering" as though you're oblivious to the fact that Democrats are equally guilty of this tactic whenever they have the votes to make it happen in their favor. If you believe that gerrymandering is unique to Republicans then you're simply ignorant. I doubt you have any idea what the national statistics are on gerrymandering as it is far too complex of an issue for most anyone to speak about intelligently. The fact that you would attempt to paint the Republican's as the only part guilty of this tactic is quite telling.

You mention that Republican's fail to work to get the black vote; however, when President Trump proposes, this week, what is easily among the most significant legislation from either party to benefit black people, you belittle it as though somehow it's not genuine or not enough.

You make a bull shiit claim that Republican's work to suppress the black vote is baseless as usual.

Republican's have pushed for Voter ID and they have pushed to verify voters are American citizens.
I'm not sure I understand why any resident of any country would oppose either.

Only an idiot can't figure out why the Democrats aren't in favor of Voter ID.
Democrats want voter fraud
Democrats want illegal aliens to vote
Democrats want to benefit from increased population counts to increase members of the House in border states.

Only an idiot can't figure out why Democrats aren't in favor of verifying that only American citizen vote.

Why don't we just let the Chinese, Russia, Cuba, etc. etc. etc. send over millions of people just to vote in America's elections? How is that different than letting Mexican's flood across the border and then vote in our elections? What sane person thinks that is a good path forward.

You said you were a Republican. I'm calling BS. You may have thought you were a Republican but you were never truly a Republican. Yes, on one hand you admitted that you were a Republican, however, then you started talking about the benefits of Communism. When you said that you immediately lose every ounce of credibility as a Republican.
I don't consider myself as a Republican although I am registered as a Republican.
I consider myself to be a Constitutional Conservative.
A true Republican would never endorse Communism in any way.
A true Republican would never endorse the principle of the Democrat party.
They simply don't reconcile with each other if you're honest with why you choose to be one or the other.
Most Republican's I know would tell you the same thing. Republican's do not believe in big government and massive government control. It's a fundamental difference. You see Trumps economy taking off for completely opposite reasons that Obama's economy operated. Trump gutted almost every regulation Obama implemented and his economy took off. Why did it take off? Because the government got out of the way. When people do well they spend more money and the US Government makes more revenue from sales taxes etc.
It happened when Reagan did it.
It happened the same way when Trump did it.
The philosophy's are polar opposite.

A true Republican would never consider becoming a Democrat because true Republican's (not RINO's) base their political foundation on the principles of "limited government, low taxes, low regulation, pro-life, etc. etc."

You see Democrats are 180% opposite - among the major differences are:
Democrats want as much government as possible (socialist)
Democrats want as high taxation as possible (socialist)
Democrats want massive regulation of everything (socialist)
Democrats want pro-abortion
Democrats are willing to destroy the fabric of America to gain power and votes by allowing a flood of illegal aliens across the southern border; in addition to legal immigration.

You see a Republican (especially a Conservative) would never become a Democrat because they will never compromise to allow themselves to agree with what the Democrats want at their core.









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Ballot Harvesting needs to be abolished. Term limits need to be implemented. I don't care if it's anti free market. Elections are sacred. Without them, like the man says in the video.... things collapse. These people should be permanently deported,

BUSTED ...FRAUD ....Omar & her Somalian cronies hate America ...Tear it Down ...Rebuild it their way

This won't make CNN & MSNC & prolly not FOX either

BUSTED ....BUSTED....Only way to Win??? CHEAT
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Ballot Harvesting needs to be abolished. Term limits need to be implemented. I don't care if it's anti free market. Elections are sacred. Without them, like the man says in the video.... things collapse. These people should be permanently deported,

BUSTED ...FRAUD ....Omar & her Somalian cronies hate America ...Tear it Down ...Rebuild it their way

This won't make CNN & MSNC & prolly not FOX either

BUSTED ....BUSTED....Only way to Win??? CHEAT



You are exactly correct. If you can't verify 1 vote per voter then we have a problem. If the ballot has any issues it should be tossed out. If the ballot is in any way late it should be tossed. It's beyond me how anyone does not see the inherent problems with mail in voting. "Absentee Voting" is OK as long as the ballot is counted in time. "Absentee Voting" is a quite different animal than mailing out unsolicited "mail in ballots" to every voter on the voter roles. Why isn't it glaringly obvious why this would be a problem. Fact is. Democrats are OK with voter fraud if it benefits them. Funny, now the Democrats are telling their voters to vote in person because they are realizing the massive number of ballots that will be disqualified. Hmmm !!

Gregg Youngblood says he used to be a Republican. I am calling BS. I don't know any true Republicans that would ever consider becoming a Democrat. If you know why you're a Republican, your reasoning for being a Republican simply does not reconcile with switching to Democrat. I can see possibly becoming Independent, but never Democrat. That person claiming he was once Republican and switched to Democrat simply misunderstood what a Republican is; especially a Conservative Republican. Democrat and Republican are two fundamentally different concepts whose core ideology is different.

In a nut shell, Republicans believe in "Limited Government" like the Constitution says, while Democrats want as much Government control as possible. Our founding fathers explicitly wanted minimal government. They wanted government to get out of the way. The Declaration of Independence states this clearly. Today's Democrat party has "Socialist" underpinnings and would like complete government control if they could get it. For this reason, any Democrat who says he used to be a Republican was never a Republican; despite what he may have thought.
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Yep because nothing says believable like an O'Keefe video. Who would believe his translation but a zealot? This man has been convicted for his fraudulent activities but as long as he's on the right it's okay. Convicted felon..no problem...traitor...no problem...liar...no problem...The people who share and laud these videos certainly have no problem with charlatans like O'Keefe or Trump ($1500 in federal taxes in 15 years) and view both as credible and believable even when the lies and cheating are obvious. In fact, any set of similar circumstances presented by a liberal/Democrat would warrant beheading and entrail removal.
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Yep because nothing says believable like an O'Keefe video. Who would believe his translation but a zealot? This man has been convicted for his fraudulent activities but as long as he's on the right it's okay. Convicted felon..no problem...traitor...no problem...liar...no problem ught with his edited and doctored crap before. BThose same people would share videos and carry on as if this charlatan (like Trump ($1500 in federal taxes in 15 years) is credible.


Gregg, you're such a sucker. So, you're problem is that James O' Keefe exposed Planned Parenthood for selling baby parts? What sick person endorses the sale of baby parts? O'Keefe has been arrested because he exposed a Democrat Left recording of ACORN illegal activities? Is there anything that Democrats can do that you have any problem with? If the illegal sale of baby parts is OK then you need to get your brain examined. O'Keefe was convicted for exposing Democrats for what they really are and you're dumb enough not to get what really happened.

As for Trump's taxes. Isn't it convenient that yet again the Democrats come out with some claim about Trump but the source is anonymous. How many times did this happen during the Russia Collusion Lie only to now find out it was in fact the Democrats and the FBI who were colluding with Russia. I notice you must have missed that recent tid bit in the media. Oh, that's right, you listen to CNN. No wonder you didn't see shiit.

Back to taxes, whether you like it or not, many large business owners take full legal advantage of the tax loop holes available to them. When you have large investments the tax options and right offs available to multi-millionaire entrepreneurs are quite different from the options available to you and I. Did you're Democrat CNN news source make you aware that this would be a normal occurrence in the world of multi-millionaire investors? If Trump did anything illegal the IRS would be all over him like flies on a turd. Strangely for you that hasn't happened. Trump is not under investigation by the IRS. Nevertheless, Trump has been President for 3-1/2 years and he has a solid record of promises he's delivered. The American public could care less what Trumps taxes look like.

You're such a hypocrite, you're worried about Trumps taxes but Hunter Biden's mysterious $$millions don't matter.
You're such a sucker it's laughable. What you are is a hypocrite talking out of both sides of your mouth.
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Gregg, you're such a sucker. So, you're problem is that James O' Keefe exposed Planned Parenthood for selling baby parts? What sick person endorses the sale of baby parts? O'Keefe has been arrested because he exposed a Democrat Left recording of ACORN illegal activities? Is there anything that Democrats can do that you have any problem with? If the illegal sale of baby parts is OK then you need to get your brain examined. O'Keefe was convicted for exposing Democrats for what they really are and you're dumb enough not to get what really happened.

I know that the left has a long history of immediately respond to outrage from the right and overreacting and purging themselves. O'Keefe didn't go to jail because the crimes were committed against Democrats; he went because he broke the law. His tapes were disingenuous, dishonest and heavily edited but keep telling yourself that!! I don't blame you...It seems to work. What you described above that O'Keefe proved are illegal acts...so where are the convictions...there aren't any.... The whole game is to put it out...by the time the truth comes out...everyone will have moved on...and the people who believed the lie will say that the correction is "fake."

As for Trump's taxes. Isn't it convenient that yet again the Democrats come out with some claim about Trump but the source is anonymous. How many times did this happen during the Russia Collusion Lie only to now find out it was in fact the Democrats and the FBI who were colluding with Russia. I notice you must have missed that recent tid bit in the media. Oh, that's right, you listen to CNN. No wonder you didn't see shiit.

Like his tax returns, eventually, it will all come out. I didn't see it because it didn't happen but you are more than welcome to share the "credible alternative facts."

Back to taxes, whether you like it or not, many large business owners take full legal advantage of the tax loop holes available to them. When you have large investments the tax options and right offs available to multi-millionaire entrepreneurs are quite different from the options available to you and I. Did you're Democrat CNN news source make you aware that this would be a normal occurrence in the world of multi-millionaire investors? If Trump did anything illegal the IRS would be all over him like flies on a turd. Strangely for you that hasn't happened. Trump is not under investigation by the IRS. Nevertheless, Trump has been President for 3-1/2 years and he has a solid record of promises he's delivered. The American public could care less what Trumps taxes look like.

Trump is quoted as saying how stupid the IRS is for sending him a $10 million refund. Again he will spend the end of his days in jail and/or in complete shame. Keep watching.

You're such a hypocrite, you're worried about Trumps taxes but Hunter Biden's mysterious $$millions don't matter.
You're such a sucker it's laughable. What you are is a hypocrite talking out of both sides of your mouth.

My fervent prayer is for Biden to state how much Hunter paid in taxes over the last fifteen years and release the proof at tomorrow's debate if Trump mentions him.


Hypocrite? Sucker? I wear it from you like the badge of honor it is...Thanks

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Gregg, you're such a sucker. So, you're problem is that James O' Keefe exposed Planned Parenthood for selling baby parts? What sick person endorses the sale of baby parts? O'Keefe has been arrested because he exposed a Democrat Left recording of ACORN illegal activities? Is there anything that Democrats can do that you have any problem with? If the illegal sale of baby parts is OK then you need to get your brain examined. O'Keefe was convicted for exposing Democrats for what they really are and you're dumb enough not to get what really happened.

I know that the left has a long history of immediately respond to outrage from the right and overreacting and purging themselves. O'Keefe didn't go to jail because the crimes were committed against Democrats; he went because he broke the law. His tapes were disingenuous, dishonest and heavily edited but keep telling yourself that!! I don't blame you...It seems to work. What you described above that O'Keefe proved are illegal acts...so where are the convictions...there aren't any.... The whole game is to put it out...by the time the truth comes out...everyone will have moved on...and the people who believed the lie will say that the correction is "fake."

As for Trump's taxes. Isn't it convenient that yet again the Democrats come out with some claim about Trump but the source is anonymous. How many times did this happen during the Russia Collusion Lie only to now find out it was in fact the Democrats and the FBI who were colluding with Russia. I notice you must have missed that recent tid bit in the media. Oh, that's right, you listen to CNN. No wonder you didn't see shiit.

Like his tax returns, eventually, it will all come out. I didn't see it because it didn't happen but you are more than welcome to share the "credible alternative facts."

Back to taxes, whether you like it or not, many large business owners take full legal advantage of the tax loop holes available to them. When you have large investments the tax options and right offs available to multi-millionaire entrepreneurs are quite different from the options available to you and I. Did you're Democrat CNN news source make you aware that this would be a normal occurrence in the world of multi-millionaire investors? If Trump did anything illegal the IRS would be all over him like flies on a turd. Strangely for you that hasn't happened. Trump is not under investigation by the IRS. Nevertheless, Trump has been President for 3-1/2 years and he has a solid record of promises he's delivered. The American public could care less what Trumps taxes look like.

Trump is quoted as saying how stupid the IRS is for sending him a $10 million refund. Again he will spend the end of his days in jail and/or in complete shame. Keep watching.

You're such a hypocrite, you're worried about Trumps taxes but Hunter Biden's mysterious $$millions don't matter.
You're such a sucker it's laughable. What you are is a hypocrite talking out of both sides of your mouth.

My fervent prayer is for Biden to state how much Hunter paid in taxes over the last fifteen years and release the proof at tomorrow's debate if Trump mentions him.


Hypocrite? Sucker? I wear it from you like the badge of honor it is...Thanks

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Dude, get off the crack pipe. You've lost your freaking mind Sir. Those tapes were made public all over the media and there is nothing whatsoever in either the Planned Parenthood tape or the ACORN tape that takes away from the fact that what these Democrat backed organizations were engaging in was illegal activity. Quit reading your Democrat Wikipedia entry that is purposely and misleadingly false.

When you watch the Baby Parts video there is no editing happening when the subjects are discussing the sale of baby parts.

The ACORN video Is exactly the same way and the key parts of the video show the people in question providing direction on how to SCAM the system. If it was false then why did the IRS and US Census bureau stop doing business with ACORN? That happened because it looked really bad to be associated with an organization that was involved with scamming the system. ACORN was teaching people how to scam the system and got caught. That's what happened. But you look right past the real crime and focus only on the part that serves your agenda.

What you have in O'Keefe is a man who was willing to go to jail to expose wrong doing. He shot an arrow into the heart of the Democrat scam campaign and the Dems spared no expense to go after his group. He did break the law to get the evidence he needed and he was convicted for it. However, the video he got was exactly authentic and it achieved the desired effect. If anybody ever deserved a pardon it is James O'Keefe as it relates to these instances. He did America a service for exposing this scum you knowingly support.

The fact that you can focus on his illegal activity and Knowingly overlook the illegal sale of baby parts at a Planned Parenthood facility is disgusting. You don't care that these Planned Parenthood facilities are almost always located in high poverty black areas of town and you don't care that most of their abortion patients are black woman. It doesn't even register on your little brain that 20 million black babies have been aborted since 1967.

What a true statement by Joseph Stalin
"A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic".

As for Trumps taxes, first off I haven't seen his taxes and I have no idea how accurate the anonymous sources are for the current tax statement claim.

If Trump did anything illegal the IRS would be all over it. Is there any doubt that would have happened long ago if it was possible? You can pound sand if you don't like it. I'll bet anything you own that Joe Biden's taxes and Nancy Pelosi's taxes, and Chuck Schumer's taxes have similar types of deductions for "depreciation and losses". It's not my fault you have colossal ignorance on how the tax code works.

You're too dumb to realize that what you're seeing here is the Democrats have cherry picked one year of Trumps taxes to release; if they are in fact his taxes.

What you fail to see is that if you were looking at 5 or 10 years of Trumps taxes you would see he has actually paid $$millions in taxes. Each years he's paying Federal Income taxes based on deductions he's allowed, based on his business deals. $$ Millionaires take deductions for "depreciation" and "losses" that can be written off.

Any $$ millionaire entrepreneur will most certainly have a tax attorney that will advise him to take the exact same deductions that Trump is taking. You're just not knowledgable enough to figure out that once again you're being played for the sucker you are. America simply doesn't care about Trumps taxes. Notice, whomever found these taxes only bothered to disclose his taxes for 1 year. It's almost a certainty that is not an accident.

How convenient it is that it never dawns on that tiny brain of yours how it is that these politicians like Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi etc etc etc mysteriously become multi-millionaires while making a modest government salary.

You see, these politicians are taking advantage of tax loop holes that were designed for the specific purpose of allowing people like politicians to create non-profit organizations to make themselves wealthy. They create non-profit organizations that can legally receive "supposed" donations that they then use pay their family members (and pay themselves) legal bonuses of $$millions of dollars.

You see a "bonus" is not taxable and purposely flies under the radar. However, to take advantage of this loop hole you have to have the mechanism to receive the "donations" in order to take advantage of it. This is how the Nancy Pelosi's of the world and Harry Reid's of the world (and Republican's) become wealthy legally. If you had access you would see that this is how Joe Biden's family became wealthy.

I'm just curious what do you think the American people would say if Joe Biden's business dealings were made public and it was revealed how much of a bonus he receives annually from non-profit organizations? I'd bet that, like Donald Trump's situation, the average Joe American is too ignorant to understand what they are seeing. Same with Trumps taxes. It's not that he's not paying. What is happening is that "in a given year" if he's able to claim deductions for depreciation and losses he will do so. That's not illegal.

What has gotten overlooked is the fact that in the years prior, or after, he can't take the same deductions and at some point he will pay large sums in taxes. I know this is far too complicated for a simpleton like yourself to understand but this is how the tax world works. The clue that the person who exposed these tax returns left behind is that they only revealed one year of his returns. Where are the other years; if these returns are even real. It would seem that if they had access to one year of his returns that they had access to other years too. Hmmm !

It's clear now that you're just a Democrat puppet.
You are willing to overlook the real crimes to satisfy your narrative. The fact that you overlook the sale of aborted baby parts to point out that O'Keeefe was charged with a crime for exposing this illegal trade tells me all I need to know about you. You don't care about doing the right thing, you only care about doing what you think black people want you to do. You think you're serving the black cause. Well, you better get ready because change is coming. Blacks people that have the courage to think for themselves and are not easily led are beginning to open their eyes to what is happening. It's just a matter of time.

Sir, let me assure one thing.
You were NEVER a Republican; regardless of what you may have thought. You need to go to church and ask for forgiveness.
God is not happy with you when you make excuses for people who kill babies to sell on the black market. Sick !!

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Dude, get off the crack pipe. You've lost your freaking mind Sir.

It's not my fault you have colossal ignorance on how the tax code works.

You're too dumb to realize that what you're seeing here

What you fail to see

You're just not knowledgable enough to figure out

How convenient it is that it never dawns on that tiny brain of yours

You see a "bonus" is not taxable and purposely flies under the radar.


I included many of your insults so you might better understand (wishful thinking I am sure) why I am finally convinced you are incapable of understanding or just the type of person who parrots right wing talking points over and over again. Your responses are long and devoid of much reasoning but full of insults.

I highlighted your bonus remarks in an effort to show why those insults sent for me really relate to you because bonuses are in fact taxable and more closely regulated and scrutinized when issued by nonprofit entities. While I appreciate the lecture on bonuses and taxes, I have had plenty lectures on the topic from much more qualified instructors but thanks.



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Dude, get off the crack pipe. You've lost your freaking mind Sir.

It's not my fault you have colossal ignorance on how the tax code works.

You're too dumb to realize that what you're seeing here

What you fail to see

You're just not knowledgable enough to figure out

How convenient it is that it never dawns on that tiny brain of yours

You see a "bonus" is not taxable and purposely flies under the radar.


I included many of your insults so you might better understand (wishful thinking I am sure) why I am finally convinced you are incapable of understanding or just the type of person who parrots right wing talking points over and over again. Your responses are long and devoid of much reasoning but full of insults.

I highlighted your bonus remarks in an effort to show why those insults sent for me really relate to you because bonuses are in fact taxable and more closely regulated and scrutinized when issued by nonprofit entities. While I appreciate the lecture on bonuses and taxes, I have had plenty lectures on the topic from much more qualified instructors but thanks.





I admit that the personal attacks could have been handled different; but they weren't. I won't lie, your convenient overlooking of relevant facts and disturbing actions to satisfy your agenda do not sit well with me. At some point I simply don't care anymore how you feel about it. If you say stupid shiit you should be called out for it. You all but endorsed the selling of baby parts because in your mind it was justified because O'Keefe broke the law. How does anyone reconcile that in their head and look past the fact that baby parts are being sold for profit; which insinuated that babies are being aborted for profit. At that point I lose respect for your ability to think rationally and you should be called out for making a dumbass statement. Sorry ! I call it like I see it.

As for the Accounting degree, good for you. I'm glad to see you've taken the steps to be the best you can be. I have a technical degree so my comfort zone is not in tax law. It may be that I misunderstood the tax implications with setting up a non-profit organization. Nevertheless, the general concept of what many in congress do to create significant wealth for themselves and their families is by setting up non-profit organizations and giving large bonuses to themselves. This I'm certain of. If I erred on the taxability of the bonuses then ooops. Not sure why I understood that incorrectly as my own bonuses are taxed. I simply understood it wrong. It doesn't change much about how the scheme works to enrich people in power.

The point is that Joe Biden takes advantage of the law the same way Donald Trump takes advantage of the law. If you have enough money to take advantage of the mechanisms in place for your benefit then why wouldn't you take advantage of it? Neither of us like it but nonetheless it's not illegal. Again, that is "IF" that is in fact Trumps tax return.

Just curious, since you seem to be more concerned about people breaking the law, is it going to be OK to send the person to prison when they find the person who leaked those tax returns. What about the people rioting, looting and setting fires to buildings. Are we going to be as worried about those laws too or is it only the laws that benefit the Democrat Party that matter? I was just wondering as I didn't see you having any issues with those laws being broken.
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You see what you want to ZZ.

Let me be clear I am for those who break the law irregardless of politics going to prison. That is especially true for the privileged to whom I hold to a higher standard; which is the exact opposite way our justice system operates.

You revel in ascribing points and positions to me that I do not nor would I embrace and seem quite eager to couch my arguments along racial lines when I clearly state them based on class.

For the record there were 15 years of Trumps tax returns released and Biden has nearly 30 years of returns in the public sphere.
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You see what you want to ZZ.

Let me be clear I am for those who break the law irregardless of politics going to prison. That is especially true for the privileged to whom I hold to a higher standard; which is the exact opposite way our justice system operates.

You revel in ascribing points and positions to me that I do not nor would I embrace and seem quite eager to couch my arguments along racial lines when I clearly state them based on class.

For the record there were 15 years of Trumps tax returns released and Biden has nearly 30 years of returns in the public sphere.

I see what you typed. In your post you went after James O'Keefe as being a criminal, while mentioning nothing about the courageous job he did uncovering the sale of baby parts. I didn't fail to mention the baby parts, you did.
Your concerns was not with the really disturbing part. That's what was disturbing. This is just an example of you pulling a single incident out of the wood work to make a point. My position has always been based on principles of conservatism. Not sure what determines your vote.

So, if they have 15 years of Trumps tax returns we can put this topic to bed as being the DUD that it is.
It's clear the man has done nothing wrong but live his life by the law. That's not good enough for the Democrats. The American people already know their president is a very wealthy person. This is a nothing burger.

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James O'Keefe did not expose baby parts being sold that has been an outrageous lie. I watched and followed the entire story and would certainly classify it with many of his hits as yellow journalism.

As far as his tax returns being duds that can only be true if you are okay with supposed billionaires paying no taxes OR successful businessmen who lose millions of dollars 11 of 15 years.

When did Conservatives stop valuing character? Lend their support to men who behave like kindergarteners?
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James O'Keefe did not expose baby parts being sold that has been an outrageous lie. I watched and followed the entire story and would certainly classify it with many of his hits as yellow journalism.

As far as his tax returns being duds that can only be true if you are okay with supposed billionaires paying no taxes OR successful businessmen who lose millions of dollars 11 of 15 years.

When did Conservatives stop valuing character? Lend their support to men who behave like kindergarteners?


I think you've hit your head really hard far too many times. O'Keefe has a recording of a discussion of how baby parts are sold. What is it you need to see before you can figure out the obvious?

As for Trumps tax returns, I simply don't care. It's not mandated by the Constitution and he's not in legal trouble. I don't care.

As for people acting like Kindergartners, if I didn't know better I'd swear you were talking about Joe Biden. I guess it's OK if he only interrupted Trump 70 times, or 67 times whatever it was? That would be about your speed. The problem with the debate was the moderator and the format. Chris Wallace did not have any designated rebuttal time for each candidate. He expected them to speak 2 minutes without knowing if they would be allowed to rebut. Sometimes he let them respond and other times he didn't. Absolute recipe for problems.

Trump wasn't going to let Biden lie his ass off without responding. I'm sure I'll here you make the same claim. The problem is Biden really was lying. Ha Ha ! (He really was). Granted, it certainly it looked like two 2 yr olds fighting over toys in a sand box. I do blame the debacle that happened more on the format that was agreed to by both parties. It wasn't thought through very well. This is a Presidential debate. You cannot not allow these men ample time to respond to their opponents criticisms after the initial question. The candidates did not know if they would be allowed to respond fully. That won't work; and it didn't. The format was a big problem. Now the Debate Committee is reviewing the format. It won't be the same as last night again. That was bad.
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You can check snopes on the baby parts video or not but I know that the Okeefe crap was exactly that because there are no parts in an abortion fetus.

I am not posting politifacts debate analysis because you can check it too but why bother because in your view Biden was the liar. This type if dishonesty will be what costs us our republic and lead to a fascist regime sooooo...proceed governor ..
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You can check snopes on the baby parts video or not but I know that the Okeefe crap was exactly that because there are no parts in an abortion fetus.

I am not posting politifacts debate analysis because you can check it too but why bother because in your view Biden was the liar. This type if dishonesty will be what costs us our republic and lead to a fascist regime sooooo...proceed governor ..


What are you talking about? I listened to the tape. I heard what was discussed. There was nothing debunked. You obviously are clueless as to the reach and coverage of the Liberal Left media machine. You're a certified sucker once again.

Yes, Biden lied about almost everything that came out of his mouth.
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SNOPES? Reliable? My as well be MSNBC or CNN. Approved by Hilliary herself. It is a shame mainstream media is a democratic arm

Antifa is "not an organization."? "Its's an idea" Joe said ..... Disturbingly clueless. Like Nadler said "Antifa is a myth"; .....burning a building is not really a fire

And bludgeoned Biden: "The Green New Deal will pay for itself". Also Biden, seconds later: "I don't believe in the Green New Deal".

NWO/Party of Davos Agenda 2030 won't like that. After he's in office a few months they can remove him & correct that.

The Global Cabal/Swamp is tooo deep
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Gregg Youngblood said:

You can check snopes on the baby parts video or not but I know that the Okeefe crap was exactly that because there are no parts in an abortion fetus.

I am not posting politifacts debate analysis because you can check it too but why bother because in your view Biden was the liar. This type if dishonesty will be what costs us our republic and lead to a fascist regime sooooo...proceed governor ..



Gregg,
If there are no baby parts then what's the Doctor from Planned Parenthood talking about? She's giving actual prices for fetal parts. Common Sense tells anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together what she's talking about. Certainly, nobody is supposed to make money off an activity that is against the law. The doctor goes out of her way to make clear that nobody is "supposed to make money" off the sale of fetal tissue.

There was no editing of the sections of the tape that are pertinent to the topic you and I are discussing. As you can see it caused Planned Parenthood quite a bit of pain. Funny how it quickly disappeared from the news. That's what happens when the national media is in the pocket of the Democrat Party. Somehow you think that serves you well. I suppose it does serve you well; until it doesn't anymore. Then you can thank yourself for supporting it. Real journalist report the news; wherever it takes them.

Another popular topic lately

How many times does Trump have to say it?


Trumps entire statement regarding Charlottsville. It's a shame people like you let the media fill your head with lies. You need to pay particular attention to the 7:00 mark to 8:15 mark. It doesn't get any clearer what he meant.



Are the Proud Boys really a White Supremacist Group with a Black/Hispanic Chairman?
Here we get back to that "Common Sense" thing? That doesn't make sense.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/30/wilfred-reilly-insists-proud-boys-arent-white-supr/

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2020/10/01/proud-boys-chairman-condemns-white-supremacists-says-trumps-message-of-stand-by-wasnt-call-to-action/



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Donald Trump designated the KKK a domestic terrorist organization

Joe Biden gave the eulogy for Robert Byrd, an 'Exalted Dragon' of the KKK

Which one do you think the media keeps calling a 'White Supremacist?'

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James O'Keefe has been caught red handed editing and mischaracterizing information long before this stuff and after but if you want to believe this stuff fine with me. I give no credence to anything he is involved with. When I see indictments I will believe laws were broken otherwise his work is garbage.


He is the POTUS his every utterance has value. Very fine people do not share the stage with white supremacists PERIOD.
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Rich I found this on Byrd:

"But while the cosmetic changes were going on, something was also happening inside the mind of Robert Byrd. Last year he spoke to C-SPAN about why he would vote differently on the Civil Rights bill today. He said, "I thought, well now suppose I were black, and my grandson and I were on the highways in the mid-hours of the morning or midnight, and I stopped at a place to get that little grandson a glass of water or to have it go to the restroom, and there's a sign 'WHITES ONLY'... black people love their grandsons as much as I love mine, and that's not right.""

Not sure why some continue to throw him out there but his conversion is between he and the angels now. One things for sure, black folk show are forgiving.

Furthermore Donald Trump has once again proven that he couldn't adequately plan a picnic if you spotted him a basket and blanket.

With every resource and protection known to man he still managed to contract Covid 19. He is simply a product of his Daddy's money and hubris. Why on Earth does anyone still follow this loser?
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James O'Keefe has been caught red handed editing and mischaracterizing information long before this stuff and after but if you want to believe this stuff fine with me. I give no credence to anything he is involved with. When I see indictments I will believe laws were broken otherwise his work is garbage.


He is the POTUS his every utterance has value. Very fine people do not share the stage with white supremacists PERIOD.
Common Sense is not your virtue for sure. Again, SLOWLY, the portion of the tape that is not edited clearly depicts a Doctor talking about the sale of fetal parts. All you have to do is listen and it's clear what is happening.
You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that is not edited tape.

You know damn well that when the President made his remarks following the Charlottesville incident he absolutely did not have any White Supremacist on stage with him. That's a lie on your part. Please name the white supremacist on the stage with the President? You cannot !!

It's very clear with you that you are quite willing to blindly support your position on a topic without having any evidence to support your argument. You've never seen the Donald Trump support any White Supremacist organization; not one time. Yet, you keep throwing that claim out there because that is what the Democrat talking point is every 4 years. Instead of looking closely at the comments and relationships that Joe Biden has made in his time in politics you conveniently skip over that. Again, Common Sense, would suggest that if you really were interested in finding out if either candidate was truly racist you would give that possibility a hard look. It's clear that you don't realize that you jumped on board "the Biden Train" and gave the man a free pass because he's got a "D" next to his name. As long as he's got a "D" next to his name Gregg Youngblood freely gives his support.

Take a tip from a black man with courage enough to say the truth. This guy isn't a puppet for the Democrat Party and is willing to admit what he sees in front of his face. All you have to do is admit what Biden, and the Democrats Party have actually said they will do if he becomes President and consider what the real ramifications are. It's common sense; which isn't your strength as best I can tell.



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Robert Johnson is a highly successful iconic figure in the black community his comments seem reasonable if not
entirely contextual and I do not regard it as cooning. He is entitled to his opinion that is grounded in the fact that his grandchildren's grandchildren will be financially privileged as a result of his success. I am that centrist black voter who he talks about but my focus is in improving the status of the poor versus maintaining the rich. My problem with touting the financial good news for America, prior to the pandemic, is the great work to Trump was only slightly better than the prior administrations but many of the cheerleaders stated then that the economy was horrible. In fact, the improvements attributed to Trump job growth, net employment were worse than Obama's.

I am a NEVER TRUMPER and will extend that to anyone who has gone along. Trump is a jerk. A feature of his as%hol% nature includes some blatant examples if racism (discrimination settlement for refusing to rent to blacks, Central Park 5, Obama birtherism). These are acts of blatant racism for me. If you disagree, that is your right.

The stage I referred to was not Trump's it was the Charlottesville rally and was not an actual stage. Not really sure how someone as smart and enlightened with open eyes got that wrong but it can happen to the best of us.
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